Today I’m exploring the working definition of Spiritual Futurism specific to The School of Sacred Embodiment. At its core, this interpretation of Spiritual Futurism calls on us to re-evaluate our connection with the divine, freeing ourselves from outdated patriarchal and colonized influences and returning to our ancestral and indigenous roots. With this approach, we can revitalize ancient traditions to fit our modern needs. 

In this episode, I share how incorporating this concept into mystical leadership cultivates an open space to guide others with empathy and understanding rather than imposing rigid expectations. The result? Stronger, more compassionate communities that foster growth, an openness to reflection, and a willingness to refine.

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In episode 442 of the Embodied Podcast we discuss:

(1:56) How contemporary spiritual leaders differ from ancient mystics and guides 

(7:53) Why energetic dependency influences communities and containers 

(12:46) The beauty of connecting in intimate and mixed community spaces

(20:55) The School of Sacred Embodiment’s working definition of Spiritual Futurism 

(22:54) How Spiritual Futurism can bring mystics, healers and priestesses into the mainstream

(25:51) The harm caused by leaders who interpret ancient materials without considering our modern world 

(30:00) Mystical leadership compared to traditional church structures and other forms of spirituality and coaching 

(35:38) The challenge of stepping into collectivism in a world full of individualism 

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Quotes from this Week’s Episode of the Embodied Podcast: 

  • Energetic dependency can be just as real as any other kind of dependency, and it’s not healthy.
  • Spiritual Futurism is an invitation to reconnect with the ancient parts, the ancestral parts, and the indigenous parts that are in all of us.
  • Part of Spiritual Futurism is about not being dogmatic and not being fundamentalist about things and having room for merging, whether it’s belief systems, ideas, or practices.
  • I’m inviting people out of any belief system that has buried your magic, your wisdom, or made you believe you needed intermediaries between yourself and the divine. 
  • Spiritual Futurism and mystical leadership support people in cultivating their own spirituality and their own mystical connections.

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Transcript for Episode 442 “Spiritual Futurism and Mystical Leadership“:

Elizabeth DiAlto  00:00

This makes us uniquely different from our mystical predecessors, who came up in much simpler times, without having to face many of the integrations of the modern world that we do. technology, social media, AI, these illusions of connectivity and the proliferation of unprecedented division, the slow death of critical thinking that only a very few are keeping on life support.

Elizabeth DiAlto  00:27

What’s up everybody, we are officially back from fall break. This is episode number 442 of the Embodied Podcast. I’m your host, Elizabeth DiAlto. And today we are getting into spiritual Futurism and mystical leadership, the to go very much hand in hand. And if you are not familiar with the term spiritual futurism, I didn’t make it up. It exists. It’s in use. I’ve seen it in other places, mostly as an adjective. For example. Some of you might know this, there are many kinds of Futurism that exist. And Christian futurism is an existing type of futurism. And that is described as a spiritual futurism. So I’ve seen it mostly in use as an adjective, but not yet defined. So for the sake of my body of work, I am going to give it a definition, that will be the working definition of spiritual futurism in the School of sacred embodiment. And if anyone else wants to take this and run with it, and live within or contemplate this definition, and let it influence your work and what you do, you are more than welcome to do that. Obviously, just don’t take my words and tell people you made them up. Which sounds like a silly thing to say, like you would think you don’t have to say that to people. But alas, we actually do out here in the age of the internet, where people just think they could just take stuff and make it there’s something I’m really excited to talk about today, we’ll get more into the definition of spiritual futurism a little later on, is the impact of a spiritual leaders healing, growth and liberation on their own community and on their own containers or offerings or service, however it is that they serve in the world. And this conversation came up during the break, as I was just reflecting and observing some really big shifts that have happened within my own business, due to really big shifts that happened this year in my life, and also the life of my community manager, marginal and who some of you might have heard in episode number 433, while deliberation and dream team chat, we are no longer operating in the age of the guru. It doesn’t mean there aren’t people out there still trying to be gurus. And it doesn’t mean that the gurus that have been around that still exists, either living or passed on already, who still have followings, not to negate any of the legitimate gurus that still exist out there that still have followings or devotees, but in terms of the way people are embodying spiritual leadership, or moving in the world as spiritual guides, advisors, healers and things like that, we’re out of the age of the guru. So our spiritual leaders are no longer enlightened beings. And listen, people can be enlightened on a level. And people listen, you can argue me, you can argue with me on this if you really, really want to, but I have a ever developing and substantiated belief that due to the way the world is now, in modern times, actually attaining and achieving enlightenment. For most people, it’s probably not going to happen in the way that it used to happen. Right in the days of like the Jesus’s the Buddha’s, the quaternions, stuff like that mother, Mary, Mary Magdalene, Saint Teresa of Avila, like these Saint Francis of Assisi, these incredible mystics and spiritual guides, you know, I often will look to you, you’ve heard me mentioned many times, Carolyn mace, and one of things I love about her is, she is an absolute mystic, and she is absolutely also a regular person. And I really enjoy that. I really enjoy being a regular person who happens to be deeply devoted to a spiritual path. And I see this as we concurrently navigating our own healing, liberation on we being you know, spiritual leaders, guides, mystics, whatever you want to call us, concurrently navigating our own healing and liberation while guiding others through theirs. And we have to pay our bills. And this is one of the biggest, most distinct difference says, between the gurus have old, right and sometimes I wish it was that. So if you’ve heard me say this on the podcast before, I would love to live in a community that took care of me sheltered me, clothe me fed me, where no one would care judge or asked me why I don’t want kids or a husband, where I didn’t have to like pay rent or things or anything like that, where there was no business overhead, to have to worry about. My soul absolutely longs for ancient priestess temple days. But I was born into this identity as Elizabeth II Alto in 1983. And I came here for current times. So I get to navigate this experience. And I have to tell you, I have come to love getting to be a regular person, and also a mystic, a spiritual leader, guide and teacher, and a sacred slut, a salsa dancer and a belly Laffer, a person who still hollers obscenities at people in traffic, and gives them the finger. A person who also has profound mystical experiences, that I can only share with a handful of super close friends, and the medicine woman I work with. I love all of that. And I’m very happy to integrate it. And I really do believe that for those of us who are embodying these spiritual leader, guide, teacher, again, whatever you want to call it roles, in modern times, that’s part of it, we got to walk the path of being a regular person, and being whatever we are spiritually, or mystically as well. So that we can better relate to and guide and help and see the people that are moving through the world with us. I hate the word followers. So I’m really trying not to use that word.

Elizabeth DiAlto  06:46

But you know, you know what I mean, I really love being fully human and fully divine, and really having that be a focal point of my practice, everything I teach our healing frameworks, or movement modalities, or meditations or embodiment journeys, really bringing our full humanity and our full divinity, to everything. And again, as you know, spiritual leaders, and I’m saying us, you might be listening, that might not be what you do. And that’s totally fine. Certainly not a superior path, which I’m going to talk about later when we talk about spiritual futurism, which is spirituality without superiority and consciousness without condescension. But this makes us be like this ever needs to integrate the full human and full divinity in all of us, whether you’re a leader or guide or not. This makes us uniquely different from our mystical predecessors, who came up in much simpler times, without having to face many of the integrations of the modern world that we do. technology, social media, AI, these illusions of connectivity and the proliferation of unprecedented division, the slow death of critical thinking that only a very few are keeping on life support. So something that happened this year, I alluded to this earlier, my community manager and I faced some serious crucibles which up leveled us energetically in our capacity in our embodied wisdom, in our love in our grace and our graciousness in so many ways. She was basically her own dad’s death, doula, through his right to die process. And we talked about that in our dream team chat, and episode number 433, which you could check out if you want to. And also I finally after 11 years of intense healing, and really trying to find a way forward with my parents decided to go no contact with them. And it’s not looking like that is ever going to be something that I reconsider. So these are seismic shifts in a person’s life. They bring intense healing, Alchemy and liberation. And what that means as we shifted is that the energy and our overall community, but also each of the different containers that we hold, the energy shifted. And what started happening was we started drawing a new people who resonate with the frequency that we hold now. And the people who don’t, or who stopped resonating, including some longtime community members found their way out because the energy was no longer resonant for them. And I say it that way. Because that’s actually pretty cool. People don’t need to match the energy. They just need to resonate with it. And there’s nothing to judge about people resonating or not resonating. What’s exciting, though, is in the shifts, there was also a fortification of the energetic boundaries, which again resulted in kind of a purge. In some cases, there were people hanging on feeding off or clean to our energy and the energy in our spaces, rather than really doing the work to fortify and develop and nourish and nurture their own energy. And so those types of people resonated out. And in some cases, it’s not that they weren’t doing their own work. unnecessarily, it was that they had become overly reliant on us our energy and our spaces. And they had to move on to be able to cultivate their own, it was just time for them to do that energetic dependency can be just as real as any other kind of dependency, and it’s not healthy. This also elevated the energy as these people started moving out of the spaces and containers. And this is similar, I’m gonna use a metaphor here. And I don’t use it to be degrading to anybody. It’s kind of like, if you’ve ever had parasites, and you do a cleanse, or you take an anti parasitic to get them out of your system, you feel so much better afterwards, you’re lighter, the energy is better your digestive system is clear. And in some cases, you don’t realize how bad you felt until you feel better. You didn’t realize how much better you could feel, again, especially if it wasn’t like, really dragging you down. But often there are these energetic intensities are these burdens are these weights that we just assume are the way things are. And then once they’re lifted, we realize that oh, that is not the way things have to be something better and different and more expansive as possible. So I use the metaphor of a parasite, again, I’m not calling anybody, a parasite. I’m making that analogy about energetics. Because when people are energy vampires are parasites. Yes, of course, it can be problematic. But more often than not, that’s not intentional. It’s just where they are and how they’re operating. They’re not bad or malicious, they just can’t help themselves. Again, a lot of people don’t even realize they’re doing it. And honestly, most of us if not all of us have done this at points in our lives in adulthood, right, as children, like we have to rely and depend on adults energetically, physically, like in all the ways, but in adulthood. Most of us if not all of us have done this at some point or another clinging to people or spaces or communities. Because we’re feeding off of the energy in some way. No one is above that. But there is a very big difference between feeding off the energy and participating in it, communing with it contributing to it, and CO creating it. So that kind of feeding is nourishing, that kind of feeding is reciprocal on some level, people who are able to hold themselves and interact with us and the work we do to whatever degree it works for them. They’re doing great. You know, after all these shifts, those people were, they shifted right along with us in their own way. And then of course, there’s the people who are really into it. Like we are their main source of spiritual practice and community. And those people in a lot of ways really elevated like they took the leap, they up leveled right along with us.

Elizabeth DiAlto  12:46

Something that was really interesting is that my sacred embodiment specialist training in the last year, the way I’ve described it, is it spit out seven people, meaning seven people who began the journey, either decided not to finish it, there were a couple people I asked not to continue. And then everyone else just felt complete with what they had received. And they did not want to continue or finish. And I don’t share this, this is not a warning or a flex. It’s just disclosure. Because our sacred and vitamin specialist training, it’s not just another certification. It’s an initiation into becoming a medicine keeper holder and share of the School of sacred and vitamins, healing frameworks and embodiment practices. And listen, those things might have come through me, like I might be their original steward in this lifetime. But part of that path at a certain point for me, became inviting other people to steward the medicine with me. And so we’ve created a new lineage. And this body of work has taken the shape of a mystery school and a leadership growth edge for me as all of that has been emerging. And this is something I was talking to a former client turn to your friend recently, has been navigating the shifts in community energetics and also intimacy. Real community is intimate. And not everyone can be with or is prepared to be with that kind of intimacy. Some people have never really experienced a true community. And some people have never experienced a true family. And when people have wounds around that friendship, community family, and they show up in a space that actually is safe as possible. And safe as possible is a term that I always use to describe our spaces. Because no one can guarantee that anything is a completely safe space. Right? When you have so much diversity in a space across all the ways that a space or a community or a group can be diverse, right? Like when we hear people talking about diversity, there’s often an emphasis on race and ethnicity. But there’s so many other ways in which people are diverse race and ethnicity, of course, age, with people in our communities, from 20s Up until their 70s People who live all over the world so in different types of places and environments, people with different law have education and expertise, people in so many different kinds of careers. And y’all I have, there’s so many types of jobs or career paths that I have learned about that I never would have even thought about or knew existed, if not for the women in our community who show up and share and talk about these incredible things that they do. Especially I love our nature people. We have one of our community members is a dog musher. Like, are you kidding me? Like that you

Elizabeth DiAlto  15:25

see that in a movie you don’t think about like, well, that’s actually really someone’s job. We have someone who teaches people about wetlands and bugs and nature and snakes and lizards and all these amazing things. We have people who work in the forests and do controlled burns and stuff, like it’s unbelievable to me, it blows my mind of the people in our community, the types of things we do. And then of course, we have tons of entrepreneurs, people who are coaches and healers, people who work you know, corporate finance jobs, people who are therapists, you know, like the whole freakin range, we have stay at home moms, we have artists, creatives, writers, editors, again, just so many different types of humans, ranging in sexuality, gender expressions, socioeconomic status, again, languages, they speak all kinds of things that make people diverse. And that is another reason why when people come into our containers, sometimes they struggle with the intimacy, because a lot of people are also not used to comfortable, practiced, or even super available for being connected and intimate and, and community in mixed spaces like that. Right. And I can certainly relate to that. You know, I certainly have always felt more comfortable in spaces with black and brown folks. But people are learning. And you know, for some people, if their capacity is really small, they might not last very long. And we’ve had this happen over the years where people come in, they try something out, and then they leave. And then like years later, they come back. And then for some people, it just is like home frequency. Now that’s just, that’s just their way of being. And I love that because they take that out into the world, they move into the world they create, and they do community in their own physical in person lives, the way we do it in our spaces, which is a beautiful thing. And so this is a real, again, leadership growth edge for me, not something that I’ve even entirely worth it. It’s ongoing for me. And there’s two things related to this, that I constantly have to remind myself of, which again, is part of my own leadership, development and part of my own growth edge as a leader. The first one is that a lot of people are dealing with a lot of shame, shame just was not a primary thing for me to navigate or heal in this life. And since it’s never been a significant part of my lived experience, I can really miss it when that’s what’s coming up for people sometimes. The second thing is that I don’t have a sisterhood wounds that a lot of other women have. I’ve never had super negative experiences with other women or groups of women. I’ve never been betrayed by women that are super close to me. I’ve had falling outs, and I’ve faded out with many relationships over the years, I’ve parted ways with plenty of women when our connections ran their course. But inherently, I trust other women, and I feel safe with other women, all kinds of women. And you know, certain people, it might take a little longer to build trust or different personality types and stuff like that. But on the whole in general, I trust and feel safe and comfortable with other women. But that’s not the case for a lot of people. And also now there’s this new kind of nuanced things being that now that these online coaching, healing, health and wellness, these kind of overlapping industries have existed for over a decade, a lot of people have been in spaces where the spaces were kind of cultish or had these either spoken or unspoken values and rules. And they were really othered or they were harmed or ostracized or something. We’re just so not like that in our spaces. But sometimes people come in kind of jaded, a little skeptical, cynical, waiting for the other shoe to drop. And there’s nothing we can really do about that when that’s what people feel. We can just be how we are. And if they stick things out over time that they’ll see that we roll in a way that is high integrity, high care, high compassion, high forgiveness, emotionally mature and intelligent, and all these things. And I want to say something about the benefit of not having someone else’s lived experience. It’s depending on the category, right? But there are some benefits to not having someone’s lived experience. The main one being not having attachments to their stories about their own lived experience. So as a leader to me, it’s important always to be trauma informed to be inclusive. So I’m never dismissing people stuff, but I also Don’t feed it. And I think this is probably why shame and sisterhood wounds, warrant issues for me in this lifetime. You know, we all kind of get our contracts and our divine assignments of like, what’s the shit you’re going to be dealing with and healing throughout your life, those things just weren’t on my curriculum. And I really have come to believe that’s because it made me able to hold strong belief and faith for people that they can and would move through those things, or Canon would move through it, and will move through it if it’s still ongoing. It’s a popular preference. And you’ll hear people say, to only listen to or work with people who either have what you want, or who have been through what you’ve been through, or are going to. And what this dismisses and devalues is the real potency of objectivity and our leaders, teachers, healers and guides. And this is an aspect of spiritual futurism. So let me read you the working definition that I created for spiritual futurism. The first time I wrote about it was July, I wrote about it again a couple of weeks ago. At the time I’m recording this It’s October 16. This episode will go live on October 23 2023. But here’s what I wrote. And again, this is a working definition.

Elizabeth DiAlto  21:14

Spiritual futurism is a mystical and multi dimensional Renaissance, and maybe also a revolution. It’s an invitation to imagine in practice a future of spirituality without limits dogma, fundamentalism, or the signature ungrounded and out of touch flavor of bypass that the New Age Movement proliferated, whereas other types of Futurism focus on speed and technology. Spiritual futurism focuses on creating lives in a world where we can all slow down enough to engage with the divinity within us and around us. With the sacredness within us and around us. Spiritual futurism uncovers and cultivates all reverence and grace for the human and the divine, the natural world and all of creation. All that we are truly capable of is the guidepost. It’s about defining and relating to God intimately on our own terms, potentially inspired by but never dictated by outdated patriarchy, alized world religions or colonized world religions, it’s building a spiritual future by acknowledging and honoring our spiritual past, the good and the bad. Something else I’ve also said about spiritual futurism is this isn’t new. This is not a new movements that like this is not a new set of spiritual teachings. It’s really an invitation to reconnect with the ancient parts, the ancestral parts, the indigenous parts that are in all of us, re indigenized those things we may create those things in a lot of ways and integrate those things in modern times. Another aspect of spiritual futurism is to further bring healers priestesses and medicine people back into the mainstream, instead of existing on the fringes as most of us still do, to remember and recognize that there’s a reason why many priestesses, medicine people in healers have committed themselves married themselves, even not in a workaholic way, but in a devotional way to the pathway of their service in this lifetime. The reason for that is so they have real space to serve. without the distractions and the obligations of traditional family setups. Our social media meme culture loves the term normalize. Well, part of spiritual futurism is normalizing having healers guides mystics priestesses and medicine people who we turn to people tuned into ways and methods that aren’t governed by and weren’t created, edited, or heavily influenced through patriarchy and colonialism.

Elizabeth DiAlto  23:52

And as I said earlier, it’s about re indigenizing, repatriating reintegrating so much of what we’ve been separated from, and I want to acknowledge that for some people, they never got separated from it, which is an amazing thing. But so many of us have, and especially in the Western world. So again, I’m not even presenting this as something that would be appropriate for everybody, it might not be. What’s cool though, is even if you’re a religious person, there’s no reason why you couldn’t like put the seasoning put the flavor of spiritual futurism into your religious practice into your religious beliefs. Because part of spiritual futurism, as I mentioned earlier, is about not being dogmatic and not being a fundamentalist about things having room for merging, whether it’s belief systems, or ideas, or practices, and acknowledging that even regardless of your ancestry, or the lineage or who you’ve studied with or whatever, so many of these things are the same messages said in different ways. And that’s not always the case, right? Certain things are deeply nuanced, but a lot of it It overlaps in really beautiful ways. If you’re someone who’s ever studied world religions and mystical traditions, which I have, and indigenous traditions which I have, it’s just so amazing to see how much of the loving, beautiful invitations have the core of these religions and practices and traditions, it’s the same stuff, it’s very similar, might be contextually different. But a lot of it overlaps or complements each other.

Elizabeth DiAlto  25:35

So as I mentioned earlier, it’s not that I’m necessarily calling people towards anything new. It’s returning to old ways, but in modern times, because old ways do you need updates and adjustments to meet us here, where we are. And this is why so many religions continue to do more harm than good. They’re literally interpreting materials from 1000s of years ago, without considering the context of the times in which those things were created. And then a lot of cases haven’t been highly edited by controlling people in the power of those religions to serve their patriarchal and colonial agendas. And when I say religions, so many religions have different sects, different denominations and stuff like that. And within different sects, and within different denominations, of course, there’s different like, churches, communities, temples, mosques, gathering places, groups. And so there’s so many ways that those things get interpreted and acted out anyway. And it can change region to region, it can change state to state, country to country, it could essentially all be the same thing. But it gets interpreted differently, because of cultural influences, or you know, all these other ways and these other reasons, but ultimately, what I’m inviting people out of, I’m inviting people out of any belief system that has buried your magic, your wisdom, made you believe you needed intermediaries between yourself and the divine, or made anyone else believe that for that matter, or needs people to believe that in order for it to flourish, spiritual futurism a mystical leadership says no thanks to all of that, and instead supports people in cultivating their own spirituality, their own mystical connections, I love of my friend Nisha Moogly, who has been on the podcast before and some of you probably know who Nisha is, I love when she talks about her devotional leadership work. She reminds people in terms of like marketing, because so many people hire either marketing coaches, or they take marketing programs, or they hire people to do their marketing for them. And Nisha, like very astutely points out, if you are doing depth work, and the people you hire, have not done depth work. They’re never gonna be able to help you fully communicate what you do, or craft your messaging, or position yourself in a way to connect with the appropriate people for what you do. And I’ve had this experience so many times. Most recently, even last year, I wasted another friggin like 15 grand over the course of like four months working with these marketing people who were lovely people and did a great job, but they do a great job for people who aren’t mystics, I realized I had to just never hire a marketing person again, for the most part, because also I really want to be doing marketing. There’s something I love about Carolyn mace Carolyn Mace is an out here with like countdown timers, and funnels, and stuff, she just like does her thing records her videos, writes her books, runs her workshops. And just because of her sheer consistency over the years, people know she is they’re paying attention, they sign up for her stuff. And that’s my dream, to just not even really have to be a marketer, but just be a sharer, and I’ve been moving in that direction. This is also a mystical leadership edge for me, is just continuing to share in ways that attracts the right people compels the right people repels the wrong people. And again, it might just be semantics, right? Like of course, all of that is marketing and sales on some level, like making any kind of invitation, asking anyone to buy something exchanging goods and services for money, marketing and sales are involved. But there is a beautifully mystical, honoring values based integrity based way to do these things. And we just continue to refine and refine and refine. So in the school sacred embodiment, we provide maps for people through our frameworks, and then support them with tools and practices. But ultimately, how they navigate through is by a series of their own choices, listening to themselves, hearing their divine nudges and whispers and building faith and trust in that connection with their own ancestors and guides and giving those beings seats of honor, rather than when people put me on a pedestal or any What else for that matter?

Elizabeth DiAlto  30:00

This is radically different from a lot of the old ways of thinking and spiritual communities and containers, right, for example, churches, and even though they’re technically free institutions, like you go to church, and it’s free, their rules reign supreme, there are some costs to being involved with churches that aren’t necessarily financial. But then, of course, also, they do ask for like donations and contributions and plenty of people tithe. So it’s free, but it’s technically not free. And of course, many churches do a lot of good work. Many also do more harm than good, in terms of holding people to Ancient Rules of practices that haven’t been adjusted for the modern world. So again, it’s a mix, it varies church to church, place to place, region to region, country to country, all these things. And then there’s also the whole coaching industry slash personal development world and New Age, spirituality. And again, as with everything, so many positives and benefits have come of these things, but also a lot a lot of harm and damage, including the markets getting absolutely flooded with unqualified people who have great marketing skills, over promising and under delivering, which leaves people extremely jaded, which actually hurts those of us who are truly in service. So for over a decade now, people have been sold and paid 1000s of dollars to folks convincing them that if they have a story, they’re an expert. And I’m sorry, baby, that is not true. All right, having a life experience doesn’t make you an expert. It doesn’t qualify you to guide other people through that experience. Especially not in the ways a lot of people are out here doing it. I will never forget seeing a woman in a Facebook group about five or six years ago for something called Click Funnels, asking people what they thought she should teach a course on next, she listed three completely unrelated things. And people were basically voting based on what they’d be interested in. And so of course, I can’t help myself, I comment to ask what she actually had training, practice, practice and expertise in and suggested that she go with the thing she’s actually qualified to teach. As you can imagine, I was not popular in that group. Because calling people to higher integrity in the face of their greed and entitlement is rarely popular. People are not like excited to have you around. So something that’s happened, as that those of us that are out here really doing our souls work, the thing we came to this life to do, get lumped in with these. Suppose it air quote expert people, and homies doing business harder, which is already hard for us, because ultimately, we’re mystics, priestesses, medicine people, healers, not business owners. So I’m having to already stretch ourselves to do both, because that’s what this day and age requires capitalism, all that right. And then having to deal with the repercussions of shitty people in our industry, it’s just more challenging. And I’m not complaining about that, like, it’s just par for the course it’s part of the game, we all signed up for that, right? It’s another layer to the experience. But if more people tuned in with their own souls, the problem would dissolve because a good chunk of folks running these sham businesses will quit and do the thing they’re really here to do. So that like the biggest downside, it’s not like, oh, boohoo poor us, we have to like, compete with these idiots who really, they know how to sell shit, but they don’t deliver it very well. Or they’re overestimating themselves and under estimating the challenge. But it’s also those poor people are missing out on doing what they really came here to do. Or having a life that is really the life that they’re meant for, rather than trying to follow somebody else’s idea of what their best life is. So as I’ve watched things evolve over the years in ways that I had been sensing they would, I’m seeing spiritual futurism in action, I am now more tuned into how we can orient our spirituality, and around feeling into the future, seating a better future through our spiritual practices. And this is how we breathe new collective values and practices into our spirituality. This is how mystical leadership’s gets more air and space to breathe and influence. And hopefully, it becomes more accessible for people who’ve been duped and influenced by folks who never gave a crap about them. And we’re only out to build their own platforms bolster their egos, and power bank accounts. Or we’re just coming from places of needing so much validation, that being able to like sell things to people and receive payment and receive praise or get followers is feeding like a deep need to be seen or loved and liked.

Elizabeth DiAlto  34:32

You know, there’s plenty of people in these industries, too, who originally set out to be some kind of famous right, some kind of artist and actor, an actress, a singer, a dancer or whatever. And because that didn’t work out to them at the level that they were hoping to achieve. They went into coaching instead, you know, they essentially get to be on stage in a helping capacity. Again, some people do great work, and some people don’t It’s not um, it’s like salami to like, list out who I think because To each their own. We talked about resonance earlier. You know, there’s plenty of people, I’m sure you’ve come into my space as a man like that shit was not for me, right? Because it’s not like no one’s no one’s work is going to be for everybody. But part of mystical leadership is not taking that personally, not making it about you not needing to make people wrong or bad when they don’t resonate, and you see this, you see people doing this nonsense with folks like, well, if it doesn’t work for you, like it’s you, like you have a mindset problem like No, it just might not be the resonant approach, it might not be the appropriate or aligned approach for you. There’s another piece of this both spiritual Futurism and mystical leadership is that people say they want collectivism. People say they want to do more in community. But part of the problem with that is we can’t just leave into it. There have to be steps because we’re so individualistic when I say we hear, again, I’m not speaking I can’t speak for the whole world. I can’t speak globally. I’m mainly talking about the Western world. And if I’m more specific, I’m speaking about the United States and North America, because that’s truly where most of my people like the great majority and holler shout outs and much appreciation to our people are wild souls outside of the United States, and all the way across the world, in other countries and other places. But this is where I’m from. So this is where most of my people come from. And most people here are now ready for the villages they so emphatically claimed to want, which again, is not a judgment, it’s also not a feeling, it’s just a reality. And it also goes back to the intimacy thing I mentioned earlier. And you get this if you’re a person who’s ever been hyper independent, the I could do it myself type. You get this because you know how hard it can be to let people help you. And I know I’ve certainly had experiences in my life where I was cruising along, kind of doing everything myself, not let people help me. And then something would happen, where I needed help where I literally couldn’t do it by myself. And that’s how I got initiated into opening up being more receptive, asking for help allowing myself to be supported. And then that’s when I started to find incredible, exquisite support, not only with my relationships, but in the business and everything like that. So how do we get us there? How do we do this mystical leadership, spiritual futurism? How do we really start to step into this, let it take up more space on our lives, or let it be that renaissance that I mentioned earlier or even a revolution? Next week, I’m going to dive into more thoughts on that. And I hope that this episode has given you a lot to reflect on and contemplate, you are more than welcome to email us at Hello at untamed to share any thoughts. If you’re in our free wild soul community or mighty networks, you can comment on the post over there. Please also remember to rate and review the show wherever you listen. And I hope that having this introduction and invitation to be curious about what spiritual futurism or mystical leadership could look like in your life or could benefit your life in some way. Again, even if you are not a leader in that aspect yourself, maybe how you might engage with people, leaders moving forward. So many interesting things to keep weaving and pulling apart and putting back together and looking at the context, complexity and nuance of Alright, your show notes are at untamed forward slash podcast, and we’ll be back next week.